Talk:Mass Production Evangelions

Nature of Wings

Ursus: I see you changed "They also possess large, fully retractable mechanical wings" to "seemingly biological". The "mechanical" thing doesn't come out of nowhere. If you look at the way that the wings connect to the body, there's absolutely nothing biological about them. I can add an image that shows this really well to the page later. --Reichu 04:39, 2 May 2009 (PDT)

I was confused because the damned wings form eye patterns in EoE. Beats me how they manage to do so. I'll change it back if you haven't done so already.--UrsusArctos 10:04, 2 May 2009 (PDT)

Spear-Thrower, et cetera

The Spear-Thrower analysis should be in a separate T&A article if it's worth keeping, or be nuked if it's not. What opinions do you all have on the section identifying the individual harpies? --UrsusArctos 23:51, 1 May 2009 (PDT)

People enjoy speculating on the Spear Thrower thing, so it should be kept (on a separate page), but it also needs to be cleaned up a bit to eliminate any dubious/NNPOV stuff.

Individual harpies can have a brief section identifying them on this page, but they could possibly get a "Guide" page that would eventually include multiple images like that one thread I made, identifying both what their injuries were "supposed" to be (according to the production image's write-ups), and the various continuity errors that throw people (including contributors to the harpies' article) off. --Reichu 04:48, 2 May 2009 (PDT)

I'll set up the Spear Thrower T&A page and the guide page. The guide page can be updated with additional images later.--UrsusArctos 09:36, 2 May 2009 (PDT)

Both unwanted sections have been split out into their own articles in their respective namespaces The name for the second, "Specific Mass Production Evangelions" seemed rather long, but it was the most straightforward I could think of. Any problems with the namespaces? --UrsusArctos 10:05, 2 May 2009 (PDT)

Things to Mention?

Mention T&A regarding MP souls, orgasms, and the idea of Seele wanting to use them as vessels for themselves. Yay or nay?--Szmitten 12:33, 17 August 2007 (EDT)

...er, not right now; start it on End of Eva. --V 15:29, 17 August 2007 (EDT)

Start what?

This misconception about MP Evas having no souls can be mentioned here. Not quite sure what you intend to say about the second, and the third... ummmm... --Reichu 15:33, 17 August 2007 (EDT)

Regeneration

Jimbo: "...allowing them to regenerate even after they are defeated": Oh dear. Isn't this a Big Stinkin' Misconception? I'm removing it unless you can provide adequate persuasion otherwise. ::p --Reichu 09:02, 18 August 2007 (EDT)

It states in the CI that the S² is the source of the Angels' regenerative abilities, so why is that not true for the MPEs? Just as many Angels slowly regenerate after being stopped by other means, they are able to regenerate (Israfel springs to mind).--Eva Yojimbo 10:19, 18 August 2007 (EDT)

It's because the harpies never really regenerate. They're still beat-up and mutilated when they kill themselves. --Reichu 14:56, 18 August 2007 (EDT)

According to Maya they "reactivated". And I think it's made pretty darn clear that Asuka did enough to reasonably "kill" any of them. If they are not regenerating in the least bit then I see no logical reason for their continuing to function. 'Tis okay either way. I don't feel it's a major plot point.--Eva Yojimbo 15:09, 18 August 2007 (EDT)

Asuka didn't exactly do a lot in some cases. I mean, chopping off the lower leg? ::p Eva-02 lost her lower leg in that volcano, and the only thing that happened was Asuka got pissed off. Many elements of the harpy battle fall apart on closer examination; you need to fanwank to justify why Seele didn't just wait a few minutes to sortie their flying monkeys in the first place.

We get continuity errors ahoy (i.e., their injuries briefly disappear for a couple of cuts while they rip Eva-02 apart and such; and later reappear in various forms), but there's no actual regeneration to speak of. "Reactivation" =/= "regeneration". --Reichu 15:49, 19 August 2007 (EDT)

Construction

What's our source for saying they were built in 7 countries around the world? I mean I heard the phrase "built by the G8 countries" bandied about alot, but I don't know the source. --V 13:01, 19 August 2007 (EDT)

Here's the dialogue from ep. 22':

MISATO:

Construction of Evas up through Unit 13 has begun?

In seven different locations around the world?

MISATO:

Even here, we're getting Germany to give us parts

from Unit 05 and 06 that are being built there.

--Eva Yojimbo 13:17, 19 August 2007 (EDT)

Any word about the G7/G8 or none? Okay. --V 19:34, 19 August 2007 (EDT)

We know from E07 that one was made in China (Eva-08). Eva-05 and Eva-06 were made in Germany. The rest are unknowns, but probably involve the only countries we know are powers within Seele: Matsushiro Installation, First Branch (Mass.), U.K., Franch, and Russia. --Reichu 13:02, 20 August 2007 (EDT)

How do we know that? I went over the scene in the plane, and Gendo is just referring to a nondescript "Man" and it doesn't really mention what countries they're referring to. --V 19:09, 21 August 2007 (EDT)

HE LOOKS ASIAN IN A CARTOON WHERE JAPANESE PEOPLE DON'T LOOK ASIAN. THEREFORE CHINESE.

But seriously.

IKARI: And what about your country?

MAN (OFF): We will participate beginning with the construction of Unit 08.

You can basically deduce "your country" from his appearance and the fact that we know Seele has stuff going on in Beijing. --Reichu 19:32, 21 August 2007 (EDT)

What do you mean "looks Asian". I don't see "race". People tell me what race I am, and I believe them. --V 19:38, 21 August 2007 (EDT)

He... looks very Asian to me. How many countries could he possibly be from that would be participating in the construction of the MP Evas? --Reichu 20:20, 21 August 2007 (EDT)

Okay, I guess he's supposed to be from China.--V 20:24, 21 August 2007 (EDT)

S2 Engine Problem

"They were also given individual S² Engines, removing the need for umbilical cables or batteries, and allowing them to keep fighting even after taking what would normally be considered fatal damage.": Correct on the first part. The second part has nothing to do with an unlimited power source, far as I can tell; feasibly, that has more to do with the "you no trash my core, I no die" technicality, and the fact that the harpies aren't being controlled by anyone Seele has to worry about incapacitating or killing via sympathetic pain / vicariously transferred damage. --Reichu 15:53, 19 August 2007 (EDT)

Pictures of each of the nine

Over time, I want to have a section where we have pictures of each of the nine MP Evas, after they have sustained battle damage from the Eva 02 fight. We don't know what number corresponds to which one (i.e. is the one-armed one "Eva 13"?) but it would be fun just to be able to point to all of them....even make up our own nicknames? ^_^ "That one we call "Stumpy", that fellow we call "Spike"...for obvious reasons...and I call the big one "Bite-y".

Fun Production Drawing -- not as if this was followed with any kind of consistency, though. (BTW, is it just me or is a big space appearing after external links?) --Reichu 20:20, 19 August 2007 (EDT)

(V salivates like an MP Eva) Excellent....That's just what external links look like. Btw, did you ever make up "pet names" for them based on battle damage. My friends and I kind of do (the "Spike" one is a favorite) --V 20:22, 19 August 2007 (EDT)

Huh, now that I think about it, the little "external link" image hasn't been showing up for me ever since I switched skins. <_< BTW, now that you have that image, you need to change the notes claiming "we don't know which Eva is which". Various supplemental materials also go into which one is which (two off the top of my head are the Renewal booklet and Chronicle).

Never made up pet names, I don't think. I never liked them that much; they're lucky they got as much as much as "harpies". (wink) I ought to make a "harpy continuity error" gallery whenever I feel like wasting an inordinate amount of time...

I'm going to load this image to this page: please, can you get a full translation of all of the nots on it?--V 20:17, 20 August 2007 (EDT)

I don't think they're actually that interesting. It just describes the nature of the injuries ("right arm severed", "left leg severed", "base of the throat" this, "backbone" that, "10 needles" over there...), and making out scribbly kanji (and, to a lesser degree, kana) is a painful to impossible task for me, except in the rare cases where I know what I'm looking at. --Reichu 20:41, 20 August 2007 (EDT)

Are you sure it says "10 needles"? because if "10" then Eva 02 fired two volleys of five missile-spikes. --V 21:17, 1 October 2007 (PDT)

"Mass Production Evas apparently contain several times their dry body weight's worth of blood, at high pressure." --I did indeed mean that as a joke ^_^ --V 23:56, 20 August 2007 (EDT)

I had a bunch of free time, so... you're welcome. --Yeomans (talk) 16:46, 18 March 2014 (EDT)

Nine

"In what might be just a coincidence, in the apocalyptic battle at the climax of The Lord of the Rings, the most powerful units of Mordor's evil army are the Nine Nazgul, mounted on winged beasts...": Neeeeeerd. ;;p I always thought there were nine just so that they could conveniently form the ten Sephiroth with Eva-01, myself. (Gawd knows what they would have done if there were twelve as planned. Share?) --Reichu 13:02, 20 August 2007 (EDT)

"(Gawd knows what they would have done if there were twelve as planned. Share?)" "the idea of Seele wanting to use them as vessels for themselves"--Szmitten 20:25, 20 August 2007 (EDT)

Aiya Eärendil Elenion Ancalima! Hey, one day I hope the guys at Weta who built the frelling live-action Nine Nazgul will read through our stuff for reference as they are building the live-action CGI models for the MP Evas. -_^ --V 20:38, 20 August 2007 (EDT)

Why would the Seele people want to use harpies as vessels for themselves? --Reichu 20:41, 20 August 2007 (EDT)

Er, judging by the way the Seele dudes weren't "in" the MP Evas when Third Impact happened, and they seemed happy with the outcome, I don't think the "they were to be vessels for the souls of the Seele dudes" theory holds up. --V 20:42, 20 August 2007 (EDT)

Who threw the Spear?

"Thus (unless Eva 02 attacked it more "off screen"), it was probably Eva Unit 08 that threw the Spear which took out Eva 02." Oh no, not this... >_<

In all probability, it threw itself. --Reichu 15:16, 21 August 2007 (EDT)

That's illogical. --V 19:09, 21 August 2007 (EDT)

According to our good friend the CI, it isn't. "Capable of moving by itself", and such.

I wish EMF were up. There was a nice thread that dealt with this pet peeve of mine. --Reichu 19:26, 21 August 2007 (EDT)

...then why didn't they all attack with the Spear-form before?--V 19:39, 21 August 2007 (EDT)

What, you expect the Spear of Longinus to actually make sense?

In any event, Maya seems to make a big deal out of the Evas reactivating, which implies that they all deactivated when they went down. So, feasibly, one of the last two harpies "summoned" the Spear using ATF Voodoo, or the thing threw itself. --Reichu 20:08, 21 August 2007 (EDT)

I'm planning on moving this to End of Eva analysis anyway. --V 20:15, 21 August 2007 (EDT)

Does the sound effect when Rei throws the original Spear at Arael help with this? Frankly, I think Eva-08 did chuck that spear, it all makes sense that way.--UrsusArctos 21:59, 21 August 2007 (EDT)