Talk:Rei Ayanami

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Dartz Howdy ho... if this is one of those Zuggy articles that's causing all the fuss, I've just DL'd the text of it, and over the next week or so I'll rewrite it. Poke me if it's not getting done. Time is... whatever time it is here... 10 o'clock August 17 2008 (Dublin Summer Time)


How necessary are separate articles on Rei's three incarnations really going to be? --Reichu 13:43, 17 August 2007 (EDT)

From what I can see, the three articles on the three Rei incarnations are just stubs that say how long each incarnation lived and when. Not to mention that fleshing out each article would be going over what we already know. I say they're not needed. --UrsusArctos 09:18, 18 August 2007 (EDT)
Rei I might deserve some extra attention due to the fact she's only in one episode and her history is a bit... well, obscure. I began writing a Rei I article a while back and realized that just too much of it fell under T&A. I'd suggest adding the Rei versions to the main Rei page and elaborating on the significance of the various Reis along the way. --Eva Yojimbo 10:19, 18 August 2007 (EDT)
(sits in Captain's chair and points at minions) Make it so. --Reichu 14:57, 18 August 2007 (EDT)
Is this to your liking your exalted highness? ;) If these aren't elaborated on in the future we might just consider removing them all together. But I suggest we wait and see. --Eva Yojimbo 15:19, 18 August 2007 (EDT)
Personally, I think having info about each incarnation of Rei on the same page is a good idea. Anything else about her (lol Rei I=Zerogoki) can simply get its own T&A page if it doesn't have it already. --Sailor Star Dust 18:20, 31 August 2007 (EDT)
Indeed, having one page per incarnation of Rei does not make much sense - as they are the same character. There is an exception for the Rebuild variant however, as it is listed as a different character. There should be another page for that character. --Onnui 18:25, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Rei and her emotions

(I gave the section that title, dunno who wrote it though) Doesn't this section actually belong in a T&A type article? I ask only because it seems to be mostly speculative (though who am I to talk; maybe the stuff I added to "Rei 3" is speculative also. ^^;)...Thoughts? --Sailor Star Dust 18:55, 31 August 2007 (EDT)

Yeah, the "emotions" thing doesn't belong here. I'd axe the bit about "realizing she has Yui's DNA", as well; it doesn't really fit. --Reichu 20:40, 31 August 2007 (EDT)

The Death of Rei 1

I see no evidence at all in the show that Gendo "sent Rei" to taunt Naoko. Thus this seems to me to be the worst kind of speculation. It should certainly be removed from the main Rei article, either to a T&A page marked as highly speculative, or left out altogether. --thewayneiac Nov. 02, 2007. 10:27 EDT.

Gladly.--UrsusArctos 18:02, 2 November 2007 (PDT)

I need some delicious sauce

"The night before Nerv headquarters would become officially operational, Rei I became lost and encountered Naoko on the bridge of the Command Center" - where is it said in ep.#21 that the 1st Branch was to become fully operational a day later? Isn't the pyramid in that episode still being built? --Zugzwang 09:52, 27 January 2008 (PST)

Gehirn was reorganized into Nerv the day after the Magi went online, and work on Tokyo-3's facilities was finished. Doubtless construction work continued on one task or another, but they were officially operational by that point. --V 11:18, 27 January 2008 (PST)
Hold your camels, V! I thought that it became operational as a result of Naoko's suicide and not any other factor. Nowhere else is it mentioned that Gehirn was to become Nerv. --UrsusArctos 17:00, 27 January 2008 (PST)
Possibly: they don't really say the exact reason Gehirn became Nerv other than that Seele reorganized Gehirn into Nerv at the same time that Naoko died. However, we see in the flashback to 2010 text flashed on-screen saying "Magi computer system: completed" as Naoko and Ritsuko reminisce over the three Magi computers, talking about how they're like Naoko. Ritsuko then says: "all that's left to do is power them up" From the first part we just knew they were recently completed, but Ritsuko's statement confirms that it was literally right before they were going to power up the entire system because the entire thing was finished. -->There are two possibilities: one, that Naoko's death prompted Seele to reorganize Gehirn. Two, that Naoko just happened to die the day before Gehirn was reorganized into Nerv; and that it was always planned that when Gehirn finished building the Tokyo-3 base, the organization would be transformed into its finished body, "Nerv". Well, we've already seen that the base was JUST finished. But really, do you think the death of just Naoko would prompt Seele to reorganize an entire massive globe-spanning paramilitary organization? Or does it seem far more rational that Naoko just happened to die the day before Gehirn was, according to a present plan, reorganized into Nerv? --V 18:01, 27 January 2008 (PST)
Like Zugz says, it would make no sense at all for Nerv to be made operational when things were still half-finished. Having your top scientist suddenly commit suicide would shake things up thoroughly, and Gendo had already been blasted before, being publicly accused of murdering his own wife. It's more likely that Nerv would have been organized not too far in future, but Naoko killing herself shook things up so badly that Keel had to do it at once. Check out my "Rebirth of Yui" fanfic for my take on it, if you like. Top scientist dies and everything changes the next day? I doubt that's a coincidence, no matter what the newscaster says.--UrsusArctos 18:16, 27 January 2008 (PST)
That doesn't really make much sense. Simply Naoko dying isn't enough for the entire organization to require reshuffling: having their primary base finally finished after years of work is. "Half-finished"? er, the entire point is that they just finally actually "Finished" everything. You can't use a fanfic you yourself wrote to reenforce your point. --V 20:18, 27 January 2008 (PST)
Tell ya what, we'll decide this on the forums. Jimbo and AEF should be of help there. --UrsusArctos 20:39, 27 January 2008 (PST)

Shopping list article

I've added everything I can think of to this article about Rei, but it's a right mess and reads like a huge shopping list. Someone with a better capacity in English will need to go through it and make everything flow better and add points I've missed.

The Profile bit especially is dodgy as I'm not sure what to put in there, a lot of it could go in the notes section I suppose. I don't know what to write in the End of Evangelion section either. I'll leave it to someone else to decide on where this article goes from here on in. --Zugzwang 08:54, 2 February 2008 (PST)

One big part is adding factual information, the other big part is writing it together smoothly as a "writer" would for an encyclopedia: just think "What would I expect this to look like in a real (physical) encyclopedia?" and go from there. It's something of a skill you have to build over time. Reichu told me not to actively change content in articles for a while so I won't step in. If this is the most you can do fine. Please work on other things as well if you feel you've hit a block here. --V 15:28, 2 February 2008 (PST)
Do we really need all this? I know summarizing the character's role in the story was one of my suggestions, but this seems overlong. Visitors to this site have seen the story; it's for us to get out the "finer" details and summarize main points. Incisivis 18:37, 4 February 2008 (PST)
Well yes Incisivis, but Zugzy really just started out on the wiki the other week and I don't want to discourage him; it's kind of practice for him. We can fix it up as we go, and I didn't want to just revert lots of stuff he wrote. Reichu told me not to directly intervene but support/encourage through suggestion: I need to "teach a man to fish" on here. Please do whatever you think best. --V 19:46, 4 February 2008 (PST)

Rei and Fandom

I'm not touching this one way or the other, but this sounds kind of slanted...

""Rei's stoic personality, submissive nature and delicate appearance has lead to her being one of the most popular characters in Evangelion fandom. Often overlooked by the fandom however is Rei's aggression during the series, her wish to die, and her lack of concern for her own well-being: all of which conflicts with many in the fandom's view that Rei is merely a robot who would be subservient to their desires."

I don't know if Rei can be said to be the "most popular" in fandom, or to go on to say it is due to her personality "submissiveness" and...."delicate appearance". This needs work, though I'm not sure what to say. Why does Rei wish to die? (I acknowledge she said this I mean I am not sure why); when was Rei particularly aggressive? (just saying we should try to be objective) We've still got the "shopping list" problem...--V 17:45, 3 March 2008 (PST)

Rei and the Moon

I suggest moving it to an article of its own, with a note saying, "Rei is frequently seen with the moon as a motif. For more details, see the article." That prevents notes from being cluttered up.--UrsusArctos 17:32, 8 February 2008 (PST)

I'm not against giving it it's own page, but is it long enough (or can it be made long enough) to justify having its own article? --thewayneiac 20:49 EST Feb. 08, 2008
It could be, or at least made into a section of its own. Wait a moment...where's the imagebox code?--UrsusArctos 17:55, 8 February 2008 (PST)
This involves quite a lot of visuals and someone (Reichu or Zugzwang, perhaps) could expand on it if they wanted to. Considering the present state of the main article, I'd place this in a separate section for the time being.--UrsusArctos 18:03, 8 February 2008 (PST)

Manga section

Is there a reason why Rei's depiction in the Manga has been added again when it was moved to here only a few days ago? - http://evageeks.org/FGP/Rei%27s_emotions - "Rei's emotions" is already linked in the Notes section and includes the manga bit - if you want to include the manga thingy here there should also be a section called Rei's depiction in the TV series or somethinng to compliment the manga section. --Zugzwang 08:25, 5 March 2008 (PST)

Well, I thought that we could do with a brief description of what happened in the Manga but which does not necessarily have to do with the finer details of her emotions and relationships. I thought I changed one of them to "Rei's Emotions in the Manga" instead of just "Rei in the Manga"- just to bring out the difference. Manga material shouldn't be completely clumped into "analyzing Rei's emotions".--UrsusArctos 15:49, 5 March 2008 (PST)
The section in the main article won't be getting any bigger than what we have now, but the manga section can be as long as it needs to be. --UrsusArctos 16:01, 5 March 2008 (PST)

Profile

"Her name was giving from Geno which he planned to name Shinji had he been born a girl." Where in the show does it say that Gendo gave Rei her name? This should probably go in the notes with some disclaimer words.

Nadia's name

Ironfoot, that site you got "La Arwall" from is a fansite that got the name mixed up. Nadia Ra Alwar happens to be right- Ra for the Egyptian sun God and Alwar for either the city in Rajasthan or the Vaishnavite Hindu Saints. All fansites except that one say "Ra Alwar". --UrsusArctos 09:22, 3 December 2009 (PST)