Talk:Shinji Ikari

Massive Reworking Needed

I don't think character pages should primarily be based on summary -- however well-written and presented, it's just not the correct approach, in my opinion. Such a detailed overview might have its place SOMEWHERE on the Wiki, but forming the bulk of that character's main page, no. The character pages should use their space as efficiently as possible, condensing a variety of useful information into a not entirely overblown page length. So much is simply MISSING here. (Some of it appears to have been split out and stranded on random other wiki pages along the way.) Where's an overview of who he is as a person? What about production and behind-the-scenes information? Why are his relationships with other characters reduced to a listing where everything is weighed equally (Shinji and Pen-Pen? really?) and the visitor has to go to some other page for every single one? I've classically avoided involvement with the character pages, but I guess that needs to start changing.

This is just some initial food for thought. I'll be giving due consideration to how character pages should be universally structured, and I will happily take input and advice from whoever else is active at this time. We need to split out and build up Rebuild character pages, so those should provide opportune testing grounds for the best approaches to take, which can then be applied back to the NGE character pages. There is probably a better centralized location to discuss this matter in its entirety. Editorium would be good. --Reichu (talk) 19:15, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Train Incident

I removed the train incident description because it seemed a little conjectural. Also, I'm not aware if this incident has ever been properly discussed in a thread before. ObsessiveMathsFreak 23:16, 5 September 2007 (EDT)

"Catchphrase"?

"I mustn't run away" is his "catchphrase"? I wouldn't exactly call that a "catchphrase". He isn't Jimmy "JJ" Walker with "Dyne-O-Mite"!--Eva Yojimbo 05:03, 18 August 2007 (EDT)

It's his catchphrase. --V 19:38, 18 August 2007 (EDT)

Maybe it's just me but it just sounds really tacky to refer to that as a "catchphrase". I'd very much like to remove that, or atleast put it in notes with a little history regarding the usage of it.--Eva Yojimbo 10:36, 24 August 2007 (EDT)

I don't like the "current deployment", either. Let's see what you can do with it, Jimbo. (I think there's a similar thing going on with Asuka and "Anta baka?!?".) --Reichu 11:06, 24 August 2007 (EDT)

"Anta baka?" is actually more of a catchphrase in that she repeats it constantly and it's in a much lighter tone. Is there any history behind the line in terms of how and why it became a running phrase for Asuka? See what you think of the "run away" line. I put it in notes with its history as well. --Eva Yojimbo 05:07, 25 August 2007 (EDT)

Psychology

Not to be an arse, but isn't most of the stuff here superstition and theories? Especially the drowning comment, it's the first I've heard of it.--Szmitten 07:37, 17 August 2007 (EDT)

I wasn't planning on having the "psychology" sections be used to 'diagnose' the characters, myself... yeah. More to write about the "psychological aspects" of their characters, without the intention of slapping on "professional labels". E.g., Shinji's depression and anxiety in general and some of the forms it takes; psychological implications of being a "neat freak"; the so-called "Oedipus Complex"; etc.

First time you see him in EoE, Shinji's head is sopping wet. That's typically been taken as an indication of "dunking", though softener words might be used here. --Reichu 08:36, 17 August 2007 (EDT)

If somebody would be interested in changing the Psychology sections (I wrote up some stuff on Shinji, Asuka, and Rei's pages), they can feel free to do so. (I'm really not certain how to fix it to make it better, so I guess a geekier Eva-fan than I am can do that. ^^; ) And with getting into the specifics of what I personally added about Shinji, I tried to make sure it is things that are actual fact, going so far as to adding links to certain episodes as citing my sources. --Sailor Star Dust 22:05, 17 August 2007 (EDT)

Well, discussing human psychology doesn't necessarily entail giving them professional diagnoses. That's not what we're here to do. What I had in mind is kind of like, "what makes Shinji who he is, why he behaves and thinks the way he does, etc.". The sections are basically meant to provide an overview of what you can directly observe in the show, without doing any heavy-duty speculation. I might try one of the characters sometime if I feel inspired. --Reichu 22:18, 17 August 2007 (EDT)

I agree with Reichu here. I think something along the lines of referring to Shinji as merely introverted would work well. It's a broad enough term that could accompany alot of different psychological diagnoses, but it's also a perfect description of Shinji's demeanor.--Eva Yojimbo 05:14, 25 August 2007 (EDT)

That works for me if that's what everybody else prefers. Sorry about what was written before, I wasn't sure where you (the collective you) wanted to go with this. Just to make sure I have this straight: for the respective Shinji, Asuka and Rei pages, should it just be stated that their introverted or extroverted (character depending) and leave it at that? With mentioning the suicide attempts, I think what's written for Shinji is good, (Thoughts??), but I'll be sure to fix up and include a link to a non-existent T&A page about Asuka's Roman Bath if you'd like. --Sailor Star Dust 16:03, 26 August 2007 (EDT)

You don't have to be sorry; ease of correction is what this is all about.

There is considerably more to say about Shinji's psychology than "he is introverted". The show devotes an inordinate amount of time, from beginning to end, to developing his psychology. Things like, "What are Shinji's outstanding personality traits and psychological issues/quirks? What makes him who he is? Why does he behave and think the way he does?" This must be written to minimize the introduction of conjection; just say it like it is, based on what you can see and what you are told. And there are so many topics that a certain amount of economy would need to be employed.

If you're still flabbergasted, pick an episode and walk through it until you bump into something. The mind-trips are especially good due to the sheer concentration of material: 16, 20, EoTV, EoE. --Reichu 16:59, 26 August 2007 (EDT)

Which Children Shinji is

Just so you know, Shinji is the Third Children, NOT First. The First Children is Rei and the Second is Asuka. As a side note, these wikis drive me nuts with all the copying and pasting that needs to be done when several people are working on the same page. It's great that people are working on it, just confusing. Any tips on how to alleviative this? e.g.: Is copying and pasting your progress/additions into a text document a good idea? Thanks! --Sailor Star Dust 22:21, 16 August 2007 (EDT)

If I ever wrote that, either (A) you imagined it, or (B) I was being absent-minded. (It probably happens because of Eva-01.)

People working on the same page at the same time? Integrating the changes you've made with a page that's been updated since you started working on it is a pain, but it's one of those small prices that we have to pay. --Reichu 02:45, 17 August 2007 (EDT)

Edit a subsection as opposed to the entire article at once. That's the only real way to handle this, but there's no real way around it when the main body text itself is being altered by multiple people. Diplomacy is the art of compromise. --V 11:41, 17 August 2007 (EDT)

"Sensei"

Having the note on it meaning "teacher in Japanese" is incomplete/misleading. There should probably be a page that explains what the various honorifics and things like sensei and sempai mean, since I am seeing a need for it. Any occurence of one of the terms can simply link to a more complete explanation. --Reichu 02:50, 17 August 2007 (EDT)

If you want a complete definition is simply linking to the Wiki page out of the question? It covers most all honorifics I think.--Eva Yojimbo 05:16, 25 August 2007 (EDT)

Oh, no, no. We're writing our OWN page on them. Just for NGE. That's where any explanation on the word sensei would go, not here -- otherwise we'd be, like, explaining it on Fuyutsuki's page, and Yui's page, and Gendo's page...

Isn't this "sensei" person somebody who, aherm, "took over for" Gendo? Why would Shinji end up with somebody whom he regards as sensei?

Plus, where'd Shinji's cello go? --Reichu 08:24, 25 August 2007 (EDT)

I put Shinji-kun's cello back where it rightfully belongs. :P It IS a part of who he is, afterall. --Sailor Star Dust 15:57, 26 August 2007 (EDT)

Shinji in the Manga

Need more NPOV. --Reichu 21:39, 16 August 2007 (EDT)

Will fix that... --UrsusArctos 21:46, 16 August 2007 (EDT)

Shouldn't the Manga stuff go into a special Manga section of the Encyclopedia, not on the anime character's biopage? --thewayneiac Aug. 19, 2007 21:52 EDT.

Nah, I thought we'd agreed that all the character information from all the canons (Anime, Manga, Rebuild, etc.) all come together in the same article. --UrsusArctos 22:00, 16 August 2007 (EDT)

See the conventions page, Wayne. If one of the sections gets too long, it'll be split off. --Reichu 02:45, 17 August 2007 (EDT)

Baka-Shinji's image

Are you sure that image of Shinji with an idiotic smile is the best for his character page? I thought there was a pretty good one of him at the telephone (Right before Sachi comes in on the scene)--UrsusArctos 03:23, 6 September 2007 (EDT)

Personally, I think it looks good. It shows how he has gained true inner peace, darn it! --Sailor Star Dust 18:07, 8 September 2007 (EDT)

Look at it this way- wouldn't you rather see those pretty eyes open instead of closed, and that mouth in a pleasant smile instead of a stupid grin? :P --UrsusArctos 21:01, 8 September 2007 (EDT)

Damn, you make a good point! ^_^; --Sailor Star Dust 17:29, 12 September 2007 (EDT)

Cello

Why come Shinji's cello keeps disappearing from his profile page? Isn't it, like, important to his character and all? (or maybe it's still there and I don't see it?) --Sailor Star Dust 17:28, 17 September 2007 (EDT)

The Suite for Solo Cello that Shinji plays IS a difficult piece to play, as far as the entire suite goes. It isn't superman virtuoso material but it's not something a beginner or a moderate student can play. However, it's possible that Shinji only knows the prelude, which is probably easier than the more difficult sections. It involves bowing over strings in quick succession (search "bach cello suite 1 prelude" on youtube to see what I mean) which isn't something a beginner can do, however, it's probably something that every cello student learns (the prelude that is). I think maybe changing the passage to something along the lines that the piece isn't something a beginner can play, and that the important point being that Shinji is (perhaps unknowingly) downplaying his talent. For a better idea, see the difficulty ratings at these sheet music retailers music-scores.com panyard 8notes --Ornette 04:26, 16 June 2008 (PDT)