Talk:Spear of Longinus

Things to do

There should probably be a subsection in the article dedicated to the religious/esoteric allusions, as opposed to hiding that stuff in footnotes (as opposed to piling that stuff in a Notes section). The stuff about the Spear vs. Lance controversy should be in the main article, too. Ref tags should be used for citations and asides and the like; they shouldn't be used as an alternative to working information into the article proper. --Reichu 04:41, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

2007 Stuff

Added pretty pictures nyoro~n. Looks much better. I'll work on the text eventually.--Szmitten 15:04, 18 August 2007 (EDT)

Will this do?--Szmitten 17:11, 18 August 2007 (EDT)

We have to make sure we don't verge on "duel of the seeds" speculation; i.e., Adam's Lance stopped Adam all on its own as a safety protocol? --V 21:26, 18 August 2007 (EDT)

I think that makes the most sense, that Adam was put to sleep as an automatic function of the spear. One thing has been bugging me, though. What was that bit in Episode 21 about the Spear being taken from the Dead Sea all about? Did they take the huge thing all the way across the world and then back, or did they actually find Lilith's missing spear(Supposed to be destroyed in CI) and use it(And have it destroyed in the Second Impact?). Any evidence of there being two spears, or is it just Adam's like CI says? --UrsusArctos 21:43, 18 August 2007 (EDT)

I am unsure. "the Spear was found with Adam" -- Fact (we have the photo of them finding the impaled Adam). "there's a line of dialogue in the Director's Cut of Episode 21 where a scientist says that the Spear will be coming "from the Dead Sea" to Antarctica" -- Also "Fact". I'm unsure of what they were trying to do. The best I can speculate is that Seele must have had a preliminary, pre-Gehirn research facility in that region. --V 21:52, 18 August 2007 (EDT)

That's what most people figure. Also, Chronicle says (at least, I'm almost positive it does; I'll do a translation once I get my OCR software running) that the Spear is what causes Adam to retrovert. Seele apparently wanted that to happen, so, feasibly, they were "preparing" the Spear to do that over at the Dead Sea. The Spear was then sent back for the CE as a safety precaution in case things went wrong, but the team didn't know Seele had done something to it.

Also, the Spear had nothing to do with DNA ending up in Adam. That was the donor's job.--Reichu 22:05, 18 August 2007 (EDT)

Are these issues of Chronicle available on the web? --UrsusArctos 22:39, 18 August 2007 (EDT)

Actual scans, no. I'm the only person I know who actually keeps up with them. You can buy them from Akadot Retail for a pretty penny, though. (Over $10 US per issue... with a total of 30 issues. Two issues away from completion, woo hoo!!!) --Reichu 22:56, 18 August 2007 (EDT)

Re: "Artifact"

I don't use "artifact" as in "Indiana Jones artifact". I use "artifact" as "smart-sounding word for "thingy"". --V 22:28, 18 August 2007 (EDT)

I'm not sure how appropriate it is, in lieu of the CI stuff. Then, S.o.L. will probably end up in a category "Weapons" for lack of a better one. -_-;; So whatever. --Reichu 22:34, 18 August 2007 (EDT)

"Technically alive"; you state this as if it's a fact; do they say that somewhere? If not I prefer "could be considered alive"--V 09:38, 20 August 2007 (EDT)

Read the CI. It's right on the server. I also want to know why you changed my other wording back to whatever it was before; I altered it for a reason.

Also, N2 mine does not get its own article. There are N2 mines, bombs, depth charges, etc. It's "N2 weapons". --Reichu 09:42, 20 August 2007 (EDT)

Oh okay if its in the CI. I just shifted around the wording a little on the other stuff. And I wanted to move the N2 Mine stuff to "N2 Bombs" because that's much more common. --V 09:46, 20 August 2007 (EDT)

The wording, on things like the Spear's true purpose and such, was pretty much reverted to what I'd originally tried to rewrite due to finding it "problematic". I would like an explanation. Compare my last edit to your current one. --Reichu 09:56, 20 August 2007 (EDT)

Hmmm....well I was just trying to play with the wording because I'm not sure if it's "alive" alive or not...plus I was trying to explain how the Replicas aren't quite as good as the original, apparently. I'm really not sure on this; does the Spear have a "will" and is it "alive"? --V 10:06, 20 August 2007 (EDT)

"It is a spear which has a will and is a type of lifeform capable of moving by itself." --CI

Regarding alterations, I'm referring to this. The CI clearly doesn't divulge the full details of whatever the Spears are supposed to do (hence "one established function"), otherwise it would have told us what that Tree of Life nonsense in EoE was all about. Also, the link to the uncreated "god" article should have definitely stayed; that page will be badly needed. And in cognito sounds cool, what's wrong with you?!? ;;p --Reichu 10:16, 20 August 2007 (EDT)

Oh okay, the "function" thing probably best moved back if it didn't say everything they do. I just didn't know if there'd be a "god" article or not I'll put that back. Also, I think calling the FAR "an extraterrestrial race of humans" would only confuse noobies, what with Eva's many definitions of "human" and such; at the least, we should use that only on the actual FAR article and not here. Well, funny you mention that, because I used to use the word "incognito" a lot, but the hoi polloi had no idea what I was talking about whenever I did. (I love that scene in Hellsing though: Alucard: "What's your name?" OtherVampire: "I am...in cognito" Alucard: "Your name is "Incognito"? Well, fair enough...my name is something of an enigma too...."--V 10:28, 20 August 2007 (EDT)