Talk:What Is Canon?

Rebuild of Evangelion

How does Rebuild reflect on the canonicity of the series? Shouldn't we at least have a mention of it...place in Tier 4, like the Manga?--UrsusArctos 23:05, 20 December 2007 (PST)

Arguably I think it might constitute a new "Tier 5", bumping "statements by distributors outside Japan" down to a new "Tier 6". It's made by the original creators, and may reflect some old ideas they always had but could never develop, but they also appear to have changed their minds in many respects. Lets not even get into the "maybe Rebuild is actually supposed to be set in the same continuity as the original series, in its far future when history is repeating itself" theory. --V 07:28, 21 December 2007 (PST)

You're missing the entire point of my question, but I think I have the answer.--UrsusArctos 16:37, 21 December 2007 (PST)

What is the point of your question? --V 20:46, 21 December 2007 (PST)

Even in the (IMO, very unlikely) case that Rebuild is in the same continuity (You yourself seriously considered that possibilityon the forums, IIRC), shouldn't Rebuild be Tier 4 and stay that way? Essentially, Rebuild and Manga are different continuities of the same franchise, so both should be Tier 4. And about the creators changing their minds...you do know what Sadamoto did to the characters in the Manga, right? Shinji and Asuka? Kaworu the Kitty-Killing stalker? I don't see why the Manga should be above Rebuild in canonicity.--UrsusArctos 01:32, 22 December 2007 (PST)

And I did not change what is canon. I just did my best to add to it in an area that hasn't been covered. We do need a policy on Rebuild even if temporary. And btw, Wayne wrote it up, not Reichu. --UrsusArctos 01:44, 22 December 2007 (PST)

Its just that I still think only Reichu can change or make additions to this. Anyway, the Manga was created when the show started (more or less) and follows the basic setup of it...while...Rebuild appears to be a more drastic departure (Lilith/Adam/Moon) though one still made by Anno himself. Then again, your arguement is persuasive about how the Manga simply gets stuff "wrong" (thematically, etc. it feels like it was written by a Rei/Shinji shipper). So on second thought Rebuild should probably be of equal canonicity as Manga....but I want to wait for Reichu to make this official. Of course, the way I envision it, if for example, Rebuild gives info about Misato's background as a teenager, we won't include it in the main body text but in the "In Other Media: Rebuild of Eva" section....or like, put it in the "Notes" section and say "this is from a separate canonicity but it might reflect on aspects of Misato the original series did not explore" etc. etc. Which is more or less what we've been doing. --V 08:33, 22 December 2007 (PST)

All right...once this page is unprotected, I'll do what I must.--UrsusArctos 21:48, 1 February 2008 (PST)

Crossovers

What do crossovers fall under like Godzilla vs Evangelion or Transformers x Evangelion: Transformers mode Eva stories because I know they’re official from Takra and Universal {{Nelspeedracer (talk)}}

Official doesn't mean canon. There is a myriad of Eva licenced material that is completely bonkers and is just there for fun, and to make money. None of these have been endorsed by the actual creators and in some cases Gainax even specified that they were just fanservice. I am rewriting this article in my user page, it's not nearly done but you can have a look if you want. FelipeFritschF (talk) 05:14, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

I did some research and while they don’t follow into the main cannon. They do take place in their own crossover universes so the crossovers do count.{{Nelspeedracer (talk)}}

I'm not sure what you mean. Every piece of media has its own canon. Every spin-off, even every doujin is its own continuity. This also applies to crossovers. They don't relate to the canon or at least not the series' canon, which is what this article is concerned with.FelipeFritschF (talk) 15:58, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Tier 1

The new wording is unclear in one spot; where it says: "and no lower tiered source contradicts it", it should read: "and no lower tiered source can contradict it." The point was that tier one overrides all lower tiers. I would fix it myself, but apparently I don't have admin. clearence. --thewayneiac 19:49 EST. Feb. 28, 2008.

Page blocked for editing?

Hello. I have been trying to edit this page and add a few improvements for a while now but I cannot edit it. Can anyone take a look at it?

FelipeFritschF (talk) 21:56, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Now it's open for general editing. --UrsusArctos (talk) 07:21, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Page now locked again due to the enormous quantity of material that Felipe dumped that mixed good stuff with downright dubious material. Maybe this can be expanded in the future once it is clear how good a judge Felipe is with some of his material, but for now it's going back to a much older state. Felipe only has himself to blame, and I can't hold the wiki's quality hostage because one user has such a poor grasp of quality --UrsusArctos (talk) 08:39, 15 July 2021 (UTC)