Talk:Japanese Strategic Self Defense Force
Oh crud, should this be spelled with a hyphen between "Self" and "Defense" to make it "Self-Defence Force"?--V 19:00, 2 August 2007 (EDT)
I had to roll back what was largely speculation and such. I will salvage what is salvagable. --V 19:47, 18 August 2007 (EDT)
- 'Scuse me? My contributions were based on comparison with real-world military organizations and tactics. I don't think what you've replaced them with is much better, especially that nonsense about the JSSDF being some kind of meta-force with control of all the other SDF branches. If we compare it to, say, the ASDF units and personnel seen in E1, it's pretty clear that the SSDF is an independent multi-purpose force, like the USMC. --BobBQ 12:48, 29 October 2007 (AT)
- 1 - "based on the Waffen-SS of Nazi Germany" ; not really. I think you're really just drawing generalities there. The comparisons with the Waffen-SS and Blitzkrieg were kind of drawn out.
- 2 - Thank you for bringing this up on the Talk page as opposed to just reverting the article back.
- 3 - My understanding is that "the JSSDF" is what the current "JSDF" got reorganized into post-Second Impact, and the "JASDF" etc. are sub-branches of the JSSDF. Case in point, in episode 10 the JSSDF generals say they need to warn Tokyo-3 about an approaching Angel, so they send a plane, which is marked "JASDF", so I think its under their jurisdiction. I think they made it pretty clear that the JSSDF is the "new JSDF", and its not that the JSDF still exists and the JSSDF is recruited from its upper echelons or something: is there some evidence you can point to that backs up the other thing? They don't use the "JASDF" enough to really clearly establish this (btw, when did we see the "JGSDF". Yes, I found it odd that within the series, "the JSSDF" seems to have its own planes, ships, tanks, etc. (multiplatform, like the USMC) yet they also have a dedicated JASDF. Is there some omake somewhere that explains this more fully? If not, judging from what was on-screen it looks like "JASDF" is part of "the JSSDF" which as superceded the "JSDF". Please supply any of that info if you can think of any, I'd hate to be wrong.--V 17:04, 29 October 2007 (PDT)
Relation to rest of military
Per discussion on the forums, it's looking like the JSSDF is in fact a sub-branch of the military like the USMC. I'm trying to update the article but I'm not quite sure how to proceed.--V 18:29, 11 January 2008 (PST)
Ok here's the part that throws me, a translation of the Red Cross Book describes the JSSDF thusly:
- "[Japan Strategic Self Defense Force (SENRYAKU JIEITAI)]
An organization under the direct command of Japan's Defense Ministry, which was established due to military clashes between China and Vietnam over the Spratleys in 2003. All the ground, naval and air divisions of the original Japan Self Defense Force had already been incorporated into the UN Military, and the JSSDF could be considered the sole military force under the direct command of the Japanese government. It consists of foot soldiers, tanks, aircraft, and other units which place it on the same level as a conventional military, but it is suited for anti-personnel warfare such as urban occupation and mopping-up operations rather than for intercepting the Angels. It is also equipped with N^2 and BC (Bio-Chemical) weapons, and its military force is not to be underestimated. The English name is "JAPAN STRATEGIC SELF DEFENSE FORCE", and it is often abbreviated as JSSDF (SENJI)."
This says that they are Japan's only military. However, this ignores the repeated instances of the JASDF we've seen, which seems to imply that JSSDF is sort of their version of the US Marines. Reichu told me to consider this to be canon, however, the actual content of the series treats it differently, so I'm not really sure what to do. Reichu said that Eva Chronicle explains this more thoroughly, or at least, has a handy little chart which explains this; can you try to scan that so we can put this to rest? Thanks--V 19:11, 11 January 2008 (PST)