Talk:Episode 24

The matter-of-fact assertion that Asuka cut her wrists in the bathtub scene ignores the fact that that idea is actually quite controversial. Some sort of softening weasel word like "apparent suicide attempt" is called for here. - Shin-seiki

Weasel word and overview in place, along with the bit from DC. Hope others are out there interested in lending a hand, there's a ton of stuff just waiting to be added here. --UrsusArctos 10:56, 21 August 2007 (EDT)

LOL ITS LILITH

Maybe someone should mention something about Kaworu thinking Lilith is Adam, since he never actually says that he thinks he's in front of Adam? And that people general assume he thinks this because he's talking about Adam while looking at Lilith, and that the RCB (or maybe it was the D&R programs) mentions this. --Ornette 01:59, 22 August 2007 (EDT)

Actually, I think some stuff (like those cards) says that Kaworu was the one who realizes that Lilith wasn't Adam, "or something to that effect." Lilith's card from that card game, for example.

A Source of Life Angel called/named 'progenitor' like Adam. Until being noticed by Nagisa Kaworu, NERV had misrepresented the giant crucified in Terminal Dogma as Adam, but it was actually Lilith. Ayanami Rei is a being with the soul of this Lilith and (a copy of) the body of Ikari Yui.

I couldn't replicate the results for Kaworu (actually, I couldn't figure out the Japanese at all), so ... whatever. We all know the card game is full of crap anyway. ;;p --Reichu 06:33, 22 August 2007 (EDT)

LOL THEIR TEH GHEY

Beyond mentioning the impression commonly received that Shinji and/or Kaworu are teh ghey, I wouldn't go much deeper into it. That's clutter for its own page. ...seriously. --Reichu 12:48, 25 August 2007 (EDT)

POINTS

• "Kaworu's line to Rei about "being the same as him" implies that Rei is the vessel of Lilith's soul, just as Kaworu is the vessel for Adam's. This is proven as Rei deploys an A.T. Field in Central Dogma.": WELL IT COULD JUST MEAN THAT REI IS "ANGELIC" LOL
• "Whether or not Asuka attempted suicide is a matter of debate. Although ironically enough, this is upon remembering her own mother's successful suicide.": "Apparently after slitting her wrists" shouldn't even be in the synopsis -- axe. Have the notes mention the stuff about red streaks in the bathtub and speculation about wrist-cutting, but leave the rest for T&A.
• "Kaworu and Shinji lie down just like Asuka and Hikari did in the previous episode": "Just like"? The "two people lying down next to each other" scenes are a recurring them, and this particular one is, visually, much more like Kaji and Asuka on the deck of the ship. (Kaworu's pose is even the same as Kaji's.)
• "Kaworu and Shinji end up facing each other: they have succeeded in communicating with each other.": I wonder if even Shinji knows WTF Kaworu meant by "I BET I WAS BORN TO MEET YOU".
• "Whether or not Kaworu and Shinji have a homosexual attraction for each other is a matter of serious debate.": I'd phrase this differently. It's more a popular subject of fan speculation than really "serious debate", considering most of the people who think they're TEH GHEY are either immature males or yaoi fangirls.
• "The word "like" is probably closer to what Kaworu meant.": HOW DO YOU KNOW?
• "Kaworu places his hand on Shinji's the same way Misato placed her hand on his in the previous Episode.": Did Misato even manage to actually touch Shinji?
• "While the sexual intentions on Misato's part were plainly obvious": From all of the Misato/Shinji threads I've suffered through, it's apparently not as "obvious" as it should be.
• "Kaworu's gesture might merely have been a sign of friendliness rather than anything else.": Kaworu is too incomprehensible to even attempt to comprehend.

--Reichu 01:40, 28 August 2007 (EDT)

The only points I personally added is the first one with Rei being Lilith, and line about the irony with Asuka's mother's suicide. Do you want those to be fixed? I agree with what you said about M/S and K/S. --Sailor Star Dust 22:15, 28 August 2007 (EDT)

Maybe at this point a note about the different ways the Japanese language refers to "love" might be in order to explain, if they can, how "like" is closer to the intended meaning (actually, I've seen fans argue the *opposite* by citing Japanese language conventions, too). Or just scrap the entire thing and add a link to the TNA page Incisivis 13:59, 2 September 2007 (EDT)

QUESTION

I want to make a speculation on how Shinji's killing Kaworu relates to his rejection of Instrumentality (at least symbolically). Would it go on this page, or the separate "Theory and Analysis" page for this episode? It's only a couple sentences in length. Incisivis 13:59, 2 September 2007 (EDT)

First put things in the Analysis section of a relevant episodes where a topic arises (here, obviously Episode 24) and then it might get expanded from there. --V 18:03, 2 September 2007 (EDT)