User talk:ObsessiveMathsFreak

Listing the episode names

I originally toyed with the idea of putting all 3 names for episodes in their templates but thought it looked "cluttered", but if you think it will work okay. The problem is that each episode has kind of 3 titles: the original Japanese title, the English title Gainax came up with, and ADV Film's official translation of the original Japanese title. On top of this, we could like the kangi for the original Japanese.

Should we list all of these in template, list some and put the other info in the "Notes" section, or just have 2 slots: "Japanese title" (that is, list ADV film's official English translation instead of the Japanese) and the English Title selected by Gainax? The result being i.e. "An Angel's Attack"/"Angel Attack" and we just don't bother to list "Shito, shūrai" or the japanese characters? Btw, I got it in my head that Gainax was spelled all-capitals "GAINAX" for some reason; what's the story with that? At any rate, another issue is do we spell things in all-caps as "ANGEL ATTACK" or "THE BEAST", or would it be less...garish, to just write "Angel Attack" and "The Beast"?--V 19:01, 23 July 2007 (EDT)

Best to bring all this up in a thread somewhere. But in any case, I think we should basically throw everything into the template and then decide later if and how we display it. ObsessiveMathsFreak 05:41, 24 July 2007 (EDT)

Reichu told me to put a freeze on English dub info for the moment; please revert changes you made to the character infobox template. --V 13:25, 11 August 2007 (EDT)

The edits adding the other dub VAs names have been reverted, which is altogether a good thing as I was never able to get them done right. ObsessiveMathsFreak 06:50, 13 August 2007 (EDT)

Problem with user rights

This page: "Special pages" (on the left there) should have a subsection under "restricted pages" which, besides saying "block user", should have a thing letting me make someone an Administrator (below Bureaucrat but above normal user); I cannot see this; why don't I have it? Can you help?--V 20:34, 15 August 2007 (EDT)

I think you mean the Special:UserRights page. As far as I know, MediaWiki 1.8 only allows Bureaucrats to add Sysops. I'll look into changing this, as it would be unwise to have more than one Bureaucrat account, especially if those accounts were being used for general editing. I'll set what I can scrounge up. ObsessiveMathsFreak 18:36, 17 August 2007 (EDT)

I thought you Reichu and I had Bureaucrat stuff so I could use all the tools. If I am going to "run the EvaPedia as I see fit", I need the B-Crat tools for stuff; this is not the most important thing I'm focusing on at the moment though; crud I slow down here for a few days and look at the clutter... ^_^ --V 19:28, 18 August 2007 (EDT)

I've figured out how to give Sysops the rights you need. I just need to figure out how to add those rights without breaking the wiki. You should have them shortly, hopefully.ObsessiveMathsFreak 19:39, 18 August 2007 (EDT)

I need to be able to make other people Administrators (the biggest difference, tool-wise, between Bureaucrats and Admins). --V 21:19, 18 August 2007 (EDT)

Protecting pages

Adding the Protection template to pages isn't preventing normal users from editing them; Administrators by definition have to be able to "Protect" pages by locking out the editing of a particular page by non-Administrators; the feature isn't working. This is a serious problem, please find how to make pages locked. --V 17:43, 14 December 2007 (PST)

Transferral

Is it the simple act of copy-pasting and editing comments? I added the comments for cut 001a in the OP...is that how it should look? http://evageeks.org/FGP/FGC:OP_Cut_001a

Shin-seiki's comment is directly appeneded to Reichu's, with no space between them. --UrsusArctos 18:01, 19 April 2008 (PDT)

I'm in the process of Ironing out some issues, so there may be a few teething troubles. ObsessiveMathsFreak 18:05, 19 April 2008 (PDT)

All right. I presume it's okay to keep transferring the comments to the cuts, in the meantime?--UrsusArctos 18:07, 19 April 2008 (PDT)

Go right ahead. It's only small things like formatting anyway. ObsessiveMathsFreak 18:09, 19 April 2008 (PDT)

Great. Do you intend to do part A of the OP now? If so, I'll move to doing part B, so we won't have any edit conflicts.--UrsusArctos 18:15, 19 April 2008 (PDT)

For now, I rest. But you could try simply randomly selecting cuts to prevent edit conflicts. ObsessiveMathsFreak 18:17, 19 April 2008 (PDT)

               

Cut test

Simple collapsible table
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Screenshots	Cut #	Description/Dialogue	Commentary
images	Edit	dum de dum A place somewhere SE <<Boom>> Hello Goodbye What are they talking about Digitally enhanced explosion	Me: This is silly You: I know Them: Be quiet

Screenshots	Cut #	Description/Dialogue	Commentary
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File:08 C804.jpg File:08 C804a.jpg File:08 C804b.jpg File:08 C804c.jpg File:08 C804d.jpg File:08 C804e.jpg File:08 C804f.jpg	804	SE <<>>

Table test

Stuff before

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cell2 NESTED TABLE

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A B B

C D

Stuff after

Simple collapsible table
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More stuff after

Screenshots	Cut #	Description/Dialogue	Commentary
images	Edit	dum de dum A place somewhere SE <<Boom>> Hello Goodbye What are they talking about Digitally enhanced explosion	Me: This is silly You: I know Them: Be quiet

Test collapse comments

Screenshots	Cut #	Description/Dialogue	Commentary
images	Edit	dum de dum A place somewhere SE <<Boom>> Hello Goodbye What are they talking about Digitally enhanced explosion   dum de dum A place somewhere SE <<Boom>> Hello Goodbye What are they talking about Digitally enhanced explosion	Me: This is silly You: I know Additional Commentary   Me: This is silly You: I know Them: Be quiet

Collapsible Commentary/Navigation Test

Commentary Navigation << Back to Scene 03 Episode #01 Scene List Continue to Scene 05 >> Screenshots Cut # Description/Dialogue Commentary 134 The empty beer cans multiple atop the table. Misato sits in her chair with her legs crossed. Shinji:“—— Yes.” Misato:“Starting today, this is your home…” Extended Images 135 She raises a finger. Misato:“"…so you can take advantage of everything here."”   She raises a finger. Misato:“"…so you can take advantage of everything here. Except Me!! "” Reichu: In ADV's original (Collection) subtitles, they appended "except me" to Misato's line. Somehow, that seemed more appropriate to the reaction Shinji gives… thewayneiac: Probably in their original translation, they just didn't want to go there, so they went out of their way to make it look as if she weren't implying anything. But, as I said in 128, I think she is deliberately flirting with him here. Plus, they thought it made it funnier. The way things turned out, they were probably right to eliminate this change. Shin-seiki: Yeah, and they really "didn't want to go there" in #23… It's annoying, to say the least, how ADV managed to obscure the whole meaning of scenes with their fast and loose translation, but, fortunately, the revised translation on Platinum largely makes up for this. Additional Commentary   Incisivis: Adding "except me", when it seems to contradict the changes ADV made to the script later (though I still say that's also a matter of what you're prepared to interpret, as much as what's directly said), might have been done because the Greenfield and others thought Misato really was joking at this point. It's an easy mistake to make, I think. Look at it this way: Many non-EVA fans think Shinji is simply "getting lucky" by living with Misato, and so do Toji and Kensuke, echoing that presumption that an older woman paying attention to a younger man is perceived as "flattering" to the man, or at least harmlessly comic. It probably has to do with the views on men and women and age differences, which I won't get into here. Soluzar: Indeed, I can't visualise many boys of Shinji's age reacting in the way that he does! :-) A decent proportion of lads his age would think of Misato as the perfect roomie. The more I watch this series, the more I realise how strange of a character Misato is. I just can't see a woman of her age being that way towards a 14-year-old boy in real life. Incisivis: If the sexes in the Shinji/Misato situation had been reversed, it would have been a lot harder for the Japanese to get the early-ep comedy out of it, and ADV might not have been so flippant, for several reasons. Among them, pedophiliac relationships where the male is the abuser have greater precedent, so right from the start it'd be very hard to see it as "innocent" if it weren't immediately presented as another "dirty-old-man" joke. Secondly, most people seem to expect the man to be the "dominant" one in a relationship. The male is always going to be able to say no, going to want sex, and can't be violated by a woman, no matter the age difference. Hexon.Arq: I think she may be trying to act Shinji's age rather than her own. This part of her life was marred, as we will see, and this particular means of quelling her loneliness may be born as a form of compensation to herself for this loss of age as well as an attempt to evoke the kind of spirit that a boy of is age "ought" to have. Her character evolution would be viewable as almost absurdly drastic if this weren't a good-natured facade. 136 Shinji replies without much thought. Shinji:“Y-yes.” Commentary Navigation << Back to Scene 03 Episode #01 Scene List Continue to Scene 05 >>

Image Linking Test

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Multicolumn Ordered List Test

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CSS testing

Table Test 1
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Logic Testing

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Table Testing

A	B	C
Col 1, row 1 and 2	Col 2, row 1 (and 2) and 3	Col 1, row 2
			Col 3, row 2
stuff	more	even more

Multicut test

Screenshots	Cut #	Description/Dialogue	Commentary
	118	A field of susuki set against a twilight sky. SE <<Running through grass>>	Reichu: Susuki is Japanese pampas grass, a trademark of the Hakone countryside. (It can also be found in various other places it probably shouldn't be.)
images01	121	script01	comments01
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	123	Kensuke looks at the sky, agape. SE <<(OFF) Sound of distant pampas grass rustling>>	thewayneiac: Yep, Kensuke's a strange duck. Reichu: Lying in the grass and watching the evening sky is a rather appealing "down with nature'" sort of thing to do. I would do it more often if I weren't afraid of attracting a certain blood-sucking arachnid. (Lyme's isn't fun.) OMF: I've just realised, I haven't done this in years. Must arrange a sky staring session soon.
images01	121	script01	comments01
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images03			comments03
images04		script04	comments04
	124	Kensuke gets up. Kensuke:“Upsy-daisy...” He stands, lifting his model gun. Kensuke notices something in our direction. Kensuke:“!!”	Reichu: Kensuke looks like a servant of the undead in the bottom shot. Mr. Tines: Last sunlight reflecting off lenses -- just like Gendo. Reichu: Although with the gun (which, in silhouette, we wouldn't know is just a model) slung at his side, Kensuke actually looks somewhat more ominous. Heresy, I know.

MGS Supplemental test

Random: Character Flaws

(Expanded Commentary from 03-002 (ctd.) )

OMF: But I wonder why directors put in such weaknesses in "giant robots" at all. The most obvious reason is that it "keeps things interesting", although I think it's best summed up in the following interchange from the original Metal Gear Solid. When Solid Snake has to face the mecha Metal Gear Rex, he is assisted by its lead designer Hal Emmerich, a.k.a Otacon, who is able to reveal the beast's weak point—and why having one isn't always such a bad thing.

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Otacon:“Snake, Rex's armor is impregnable. You can't do any damage with the weapons you've got.

Rex uses the latest advances in compound armor. The only way you can pierce it is with a high performance HEAT (high explosive, anti-tank) round.”

Snake:“So what do I do?”

Otacon:“Rex's pilot seat operates exactly like a VR system. It's got multiple sensors connected to a high tech interface used for the controls. It's completely self-enclosed and shut off from the outside environment.”

Snake:“He's not using his naked eyes?”

Otacon:“That's right. So if you could somehow destroy the sensors... Do you see that round plate on Rex's left arm?”

Snake:“Yeah, that thing that looks like a shield?”

Otacon:“That's a radome. If you can destroy that thing, it won't be able to use its electronic equipment.”

Snake:“So he'll be blinded?”

Otacon:“Yeah. Try to hit that radome with a Stinger missile.”

Snake:“So that will stop it?”

Otacon:“No, Rex was designed so it can be controlled manually too.”

Snake:“Oh great.”

Otacon:“The part that looks like a beak is where the pilot seat is. In an emergency it will open up. Rex's armor is perfect. You can't destroy it.”

Snake:“You told me that already.”

Otacon:“But the interior is a different story.”

Snake:“I get it...first I destroy the radome. That will force him to open up the pilot's seat.”

Otacon:“Right. If you can shoot a Stinger missile into the cockpit, you'll destroy the computer control system.”

Snake:“You intentionally designed it with a weak point?”

Otacon:“It's not a weak point. I like to think of it as a character flaw. People just aren't complete without some type of character flaw, don't you think?”

Snake:“I guess so. I owe you one, Otacon.”

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OMF: The quirks and limitations of various mecha—Evangelions included—can be viewed as type of super robot character flaw. Such technical idiosyncrasies and limitations act like personality traits for the mecha, giving them their own individuality; and of course allowing for dramatic tension when the mecha's "flaw" catches up with them, just as with regular cast characters. They allow mechas to be characters in their own right.

EVA-01's own character flaw is a great example of this kind of trope. The ticking clock time limit of course adds inherent tension, but moreover this limitation is actually something EVA-01 actually manages to "overcome" during piviotal moments in the narrative. Its eleventh hour reactivations and ultimate procurement of an S^2 organ give the Evangelion its own form of climactic character development, and provides some of the most memorable scenes in the show.