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179
MAN 02:“Humans forget their foolishness and repeat their mistakes.”
thewayneiac: Seele's dialog was changed from the on air version of this scene:

Man 02: "The final Angel has entered Central Dogma and is currently descending."


180
MAN A:“If humans do not redeem themselves willingly, they will not change.”

MAN B:“We will not rely on the powers of Adam or the Angels.”

KEEL:“Our only choice is to make changes with our own hands for the future.”

dzzthink: It is interesting that they mention that they won't be using the Angels, which suggests that Kaworu was just a pawn in their wider plan.


UrsusArctos: Unsurprisingly so, since Kaworu was meant to be the final Angel to be killed. The entire thing about not relying on the powers of Adam or the Angels seems hypocritical since the Evas have those very same powers. The line makes sense if it's a reference to Second Impact - perhaps Seele's original scenario for Second Impact was to take over Adam and achieve instrumentality using Adam. That clearly didn't go as planned, which makes Third Impact a do-over from Seele's previous failure at evolving humanity.


thewayneiac: On air version:

Man A: "It's all going according to plan."

Keel: "Ikari, you were a good friend, a comrade who shared our aspirations, and a collaborator who understood. This is your final task."


181
KEEL:“I will be praying that Unit 01 will accomplish its task.”
UrsusArctos: At first I thought Kiel had sent Kaworu to his death at the hands of Eva-01 but this seems a rather weird way to go about it, since Kaworu is their tool. Based on Gendo talking about them accelerating the schedule, I'm guessing they wanted Eva-01 to act as a substitute for Lilith and bring about a form of Third Impact favorable to Seele ahead of time, with Kaworu being a useful idiot.


Dr. Nick: Eva fans have debated the specifics of Seele's gambit in this episode (and Kaworu's motivations in relation to it) over two decades, and nothing seems to stick as a universal consensus. Perhaps they sent Kaworu to die after the twink had outlived his usefulness because only an Evangelion would be able to kill him, but by doing so they risk handing Gendo Adam's soul, which seems reckless. Having Kaworu trigger Third Impact right here right now would negate this drawback, but then again, nothing Seele says in EoE implies they're attempting a do-over after Kaworu's failure, so perhaps this and perhaps that...

The problem with Seele, and on a more meta level with the show itself, is that you can never really be quite certain when they're actually following "the scenario" and when they're just winging it.


thewayneiac: On air version:

"I will be praying that it will be accomplished by Unit 01"


These alterations subtly change the emphasis. In the finished version they are saying they are taking charge and doing it their way; in the on air version they seem to be saying they are making Gendo do his job.


182


183
AOBA:“Unit 02 is breaking through the armored partitions!”


184
HYUGA:“Target has passed through Cocytus 2!”
Mr. Tines: (Cocytus is) where Hell freezes over, and those who betray their country or faction are found.


185
IKARI:“Send Eva Unit 01 after it.”


186
MISATO:“Yes, Sir.”


187
IKARI:“Stop it from invading Terminal Dogma at all costs.”

O Freunde


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190
MISATO (OFF):“But why did the Angel take Unit 02?”


191
FUYUTSUKI:“Could it be planning to merge with Unit 02?”

IKARI:“Or possibly to bring about destruction.”

nicht diese Töne


192
SHINJI:“It's a lie! A lie! A lie!

That Kaworu is... He's an Angel?! That's a lie!”

MISATO (RADIO - OFF):“It's a fact. Accept it.”

sondern lasst uns angenehmere anstimmen


193
MISATO (RADIO - OFF):“Move out, understood?”
dzzthink: This is quite a reused scene, where Shinji looks up as though waking from meditation. Quite fitting as he faces the coldness of reality again.


194


195
KAWORU:“Shinji's so late.”

und freundenvollere


196
MAN (OFF):“Eva Unit 01 heading down Route 2!”


197
MAN (OFF):“In pursuit of target!”

SHINJI:“You betrayed me! You betrayed my feelings!”


198
SHINJI:“You betrayed me, just like Father did!”


199
AOBA (OFF):“Unit 01 has reached Level 4. Coming into contact with the target!”

Freude

Mr. Tines: If this is Cocytus level 4, this is where those who betray masters or benefactors are buried in the ice. Level 3, where the betrayal is in the opposite direction, would seem more appropriate in the context.
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