Theory and Analysis Talk:Rei and the Moon

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Thanks, Wayne. Will get to this shortly... --UrsusArctos 18:58, 8 February 2008 (PST)

Is this any better? In the old arrangement, images were all over the place...this one might not be the best, but we could explain the images on a case-by-case basis. --UrsusArctos 19:07, 8 February 2008 (PST)

Yeah, that's a lot better. The Imagebox you were using yesterday was leaving a big empty white space on the bottom 2/3 of the screen due to there being too little text. Everything is filled in nicely now. As for the images being all over the place, they looked fine on my computer, but I've had this problem before. Images that display exactly where I want them to on Explorer, go all haywire on other browsers like Foxfire. --thewayneiac 22:42 EST. Feb. 09, 2008
I removed the "Notebox" per V's suggestion, (see User talk:The wayneiac#Image boxes for details). I need some input on how the images are desplaying in Firefox and Safari. In Explorer, I have 3 images across the top of the page, one to the left of the first paragraph, and one to the right of the last paragraph. No image is out of line in Explorer, for instance, in the middle of the text instead of above or adjacent to it. --thewayneiac 22:06 EST. Feb. 10, 2008
Its so bad its unusable on Firefox. I will try something...--V 19:39, 10 February 2008 (PST)
Alright this is more or less the best I can do: on Firefox it looks like two columns on each side of the page's text, and seems fairly serviceable (it's a large number of images for a relatively small amount of text). What does this look like on Internet Explorer? Or, should we make a separate "Images" subsection below the text? (I'm kind of against that). I don't think there's an easy solution. P.S. Look for an image of Rei waking up in the beginning of End of Eva with the moonlight coming through the window onto her, etc. --V 20:23, 10 February 2008 (PST)
It still looks like quite a mess. Separate image sections should do. I'm going to alter it now, tell me if it works and feel free to change it if it doesn't.--UrsusArctos 23:34, 16 February 2008 (PST)

O.K., in Explorer, the images were making a weird looking X-like pattern: 2 images on one line, one on the next line, two on the next line, ect. Can you give me some idea of how it actually looks in Safari or Firefox? Also, I really don't care for seperate image sections. The images should be as close to the text that descibes them as we can get them (allowing for the limitations of Wikimedia). --thewayneiac 18:48 EST. Feb. 17. 2008.

It looked okay enough in Firefox last time, and looks okay now. --UrsusArctos 23:20, 17 February 2008 (PST)

Another image is required: Episode 10, when they're swimming in the Nerv pool. We see Rei swimming in the pool, as if the camera were underwater looking up at her, and she's swimming in front of a big circular light. It looks a lot like Rei moving in front of the Moon: could someone please find it? --V 14:04, 18 February 2008 (PST)

Re: Rei swimming. I'll ask Shin seiki; that's where I got the "Rei Awakens" images.
@UrsusArctos: Yes, I understood that your version looked right in you browser; I meant: what exactly was the problem with my version in your browser? In your most recent version, before Zugzwang's edits, the "Awakening" images were in a "V" formation. That is, in explorer, the center image was off line below the bottoms of the right and left images. In explorer giving the center image an alignment of "none" instead of "center" forces all 3 onto a single horizontal line. We need to work together to make them display properly in both browsers. --thewayneiac 17:30 EST. Feb. 18, 2008
It doesn't look too bad the way it is. With "none" the second image is directly to the right of the first and there's a gap between the second and third. "Center" spaced them out evenly. Since I use Firefox and not explorer, I haven't had this problem yet. I think we should leave it as it is rather than keep changing image layouts.--UrsusArctos 06:59, 19 February 2008 (PST)
Added that image V was talking about. This page looks bad at my screen resolution, the Lilith one is floating in the middle of the page currently, and when viewed at 800x600 it's even worse as the text becomes disjointed. As you don't want to use a table you will have to come up with another system for arranging the images so they look good at all screen resolutions. You also need to factor in expansion room as more images are added in the future, as when I added one image it messed up the rest. --Zugzwang 06:12, 19 February 2008 (PST)
The small gap between the middle and right hand images occurs in explorer as well, but it seems to be the only thing that works. It looks like we'll have to aim for "acceptable" in all browsers, since "good" in some seems to equal "poor" in others. Ornette's edits are displaying OK in explorer; how do they look in Firefox and Safari? I personally don't care for having the text squeezed between images that are directly opposite each other, but if that is the only way that it displays well in all browsers, then it is acceptable. When adding new images, we should make sure that they are important enough to warrant several lines of additional text. We get these problems when there is insufficient text to support the images. --thewayneiac 20:05 EST. Feb. 19, 2008
It's okay on Firefox. --UrsusArctos 21:22, 19 February 2008 (PST)

I pasted one of OMF's tests here; I think it looks pretty good. I also substituted the Lilith mask image, which was absent, for one of the spotlight images (we really didn't need two of them here). --thewayneiac 17:41 EDT April 02, 2008

The template looks very good, although it seems a touch out of place thanks to the arrangement of the "Reiwakey" images below- I'll add the same table for them and see if it looks better that way. --UrsusArctos 18:09, 2 April 2008 (PDT)
That looks great, thanks. And the green banner you selected blends well with the nighttime setting of the images, a nice touch. --thewayneiac 16:55 EDT. April 03, 2008
Thanks. I also added two images for "Asuka and the Sun", although I need the EoE shot where Eva-02 reaches for the sun. --UrsusArctos 23:04, 3 April 2008 (PDT)

Rei Awakens

This is strange. The images themselves look good now, but the thumbnails are still washed out in the article. I've cut them down to the 150k range. Is it maybe the .png format that's causing the trouble? I've posted mostly .jpg and .gif up until now. --thewayneiac 19:35 EST. Feb. 15, 2008

Yeah, that happens with thumbnails if the image is a .png. A .jpg would be fine. --UrsusArctos 23:37, 15 February 2008 (PST)
We ran into this problem on the Ramiel page a while ago; PNG images don't display well, JPG images would be better. --V 12:09, 16 February 2008 (PST)
Ah, Success! And I saved a lot of space too. Bigger dimensions and only about 30k per pic. Apparently jpegs are a lot more compressed than pngs. --thewayneiac 23:22 EST. Feb. 16, 2008

Question

Could this article be given a more vague title so the "Asuka and the Sun" stuff that was posted on the forums be included all in one place? (and whatever other planetary associations come up later).

Also, what category does this fall under? Should it be in Religious References or be a part of Theory and Analysis? --(Zugzwang)

"Asuka and the sun", you notice, doesn't last that long. Just the first couple of episodes, mainly, and Asuka's solar association fades away. While Rei was directly involved in the moon's creation- which is why the moon is always shown in regard to her, Asuka is associated with the sun mostly because of her "fiery" personality and her polar opposition to Rei. It's Rei's association and not Asuka's that matters. I think this should be T and A. --UrsusArctos 15:37, 9 February 2008 (PST)
Asuka's association with the sun, which I actually picked up on myself and noted in the "Analysis" section of Episode 08 (I didn't see the forum thread but its an obvious motif so I picked it up independently), is indeed present but not nearly as developed as "Rei and the Moon" and doesn't really "graduate" into full "Theory and Analysis". Yes this is both Theory and Analysis and "Religious reference" I guess (if you consider the Moon religious). "Religious references" is kind of a subset of Theory and Analysis. At any rate, UA is correct: Asuka's association with the Sun is just a visual motif for her fiery personality, and isn't used nearly as often as Rei and the Moon is. Rei and the Moon is a hint about Lilith, and is used pervasively. It does merit mention in the Episode Guide and Asuka pages and such, but there's just not enough to merit a full analysis article. We should make a footnote of it in this "Rei and the Moon" article though, something just like "Asuka is also paired with the Sun, a motif showing how she's the exact opposite of Rei" or somesuch. --V 09:45, 10 February 2008 (PST)
While I agree the Asuka/Sun motif isn't developed nearly to the extent that Rei/Moon is, the Rei/Asuka dichotomy has more thematic relevance than "just showing they're polar opposites". Rei/Asuka also happens to be the choice Shinji is faced with, and this dichotomy is also explored elsewhere (Blue/Red - another subject for T&A when I get around to it). So Rei/Moon, Asuka/Sun just becomes another dichotomic representation of this idea - though Rei/Moon has more significance beyond this as well. --Eva Yojimbo

We need some actual Asuka/Sun images to go with this section. --thewayneiac 20:05 EST. Feb. 19, 2008

True enough. --UrsusArctos 21:22, 19 February 2008 (PST)

Article Name

Considering how this article is composed of two parts, "Rei and the Moon" and "Asuka and the Sun", should the title not be changed to reflect just that? -- Kasunex (talk) 22:14, 3 June 2015 (EDT)

"Asuka and the sun" was brought in mostly for the sake of comparison. "Rei and the Moon" (or the sun, for that matter) remains far more prominent, so I don't think the title needs to be changed.--UrsusArctos (talk) 07:58, 4 June 2015 (EDT)