Talk:Episode 12

Adam's Core

"The unusual darkness of Adam's core might indicate that Adam's soul is no longer present inside, or it might be symbolic of extreme power, as seen in The End of Evangelion. The Lilith superbeing in The End of Evangelion first appears in Rei's form, with glowing skin and dark eyes while herself being in a state of extreme power."

First off, I think the dark eyes are most simply associated with a "state of intensity". Consider: Seeds are associated with extreme paleness, and we see both of them eyes with their eyes going black at some point. Evas are swarthy, and their eyes glow white in states of intensity. "Inverse colors", and all. ("Glowing skin" is nothing special for Lilith; her skin always had a glowy aura to it.)

As for the "black core", the area indicated by the black doesn't really take up as much space as a core should, and things look especially "funny" in #12 (wherein Adam is drawn considerably better than she is in the OP). I analyze what the "black core" could possibly indicate in this thread. I definitely don't think Adam's soul goes anywhere until she actually blows up. --Reichu 07:30, 3 August 2007 (EDT)

Please alter this then you seem to have a better grasp of it. --V 10:59, 3 August 2007 (EDT)

Souls

Those are not Angel souls; those are the souls of the humans from the Katsuragi Expedition. thewayneiac Aug. 02, 2007 22:20 EDT.

Oh....how did you arrive at that conclusion? (I believe you I just want to know). Can you write that into the article here (formally and crud). Thanks. --V 22:33, 2 August 2007 (EDT)

Adam unleashed an AATF, which had the ultimate effect of destroying the bodies of the Katsuragi Team members and everyone else in the vicinity of the South Pole. "The complete annihilation of all life, down to microorganisms." The souls of Angels actually went into Angels like they were supposed to, hence why we have Angels mysteriously "waking up" 15 years after Adam opened her Doors of Guf. ~~----

When you say "went to the Angels"....where were the other Angels? --V 11:01, 3 August 2007 (EDT)

Somewhere in the White Moon, I reckon. Seele had a head count, didn't they? --Reichu 12:05, 25 August 2007 (EDT)

I mean I assumed the Angels' bodies were always united with their souls. --V 16:05, 25 August 2007 (EDT)

Then why would (A) the Angels just sit around doing nothing for billions of years, and (B) Adam open her Doors of Guf at 2I? (Chamber of Guf = where unborn souls are kept.) --Reichu 16:20, 25 August 2007 (EDT)

Adam's Pylons

"The shoulder pylons are artificial, similar to the ones seen on the Evangelions. A photograph of the Katsuragi expedition digging up Adam(seen in the extended opening) shows Adam lying on her back, skewered on the lance, and lacking shoulder pylons." -- I'm parking this here until we can get picture evidence. --V 23:16, 2 August 2007 (EDT)

Below is the link to the image in question, Reichu uploaded it for use on the Adam page.

http://evacommentary.org/evawiki/Image:Full-op_C234_adam-spear.jpg --UrsusArctos 03:35, 3 August 2007 (EDT)

Okay I'll update it to say "as evidenced by a pic of Adam from episode 23..."--V 11:00, 3 August 2007 (EDT)

Sahaquiel's A.T. Field

There's one oddity that I bolded it in the text, and now I've reworded it for the time being. Does Rei actually cut Sahaquiel's AT field with the progressive knife, or does she cut a transparent membrane in front of the core? I thought Sahaquiel's field had been overwhelmed and the Evas actually pushed the angel upwards at that moment. A prog knife might penetrate an AT field, but how could it make a lasting cut in it? The Eva's hands, of course, are a wholly different matter.

^ Not signed? Anyway, I checked the script, and it does indeed say the knife is cutting the A.T. Field specifically. (It uses a comparison to a "curtain" again like it did in #02.) --Reichu 07:19, 3 August 2007 (EDT)

3rd Ashinoko lake?

They mention that if Sahaquiel lands it will create the "third" Ashinoko lake; what is the second one? (I try to keep track of the number of huge impact craters they keep getting as more Angels explode). --V 09:16, 4 August 2007 (EDT)

The second is the gaping hole left when Israfel exploded. --UrsusArctos 10:13, 4 August 2007 (EDT)

What about when the N2 Bomb was detonated on Sachiel? Was that too far away from Tokyo-3? --V 20:21, 4 August 2007 (EDT)

That was much further away. I think the page for Episode 2 on Wikipedia has identified the explosion site. Israfel, like Sahaquiel, goes boom on a mountainside directly adjacent to the city itself.--UrsusArctos 00:22, 5 August 2007 (EDT)

We're supposed to believe what we read on Wikipedia? --Reichu 12:05, 25 August 2007 (EDT)

Misato's sash

Can someone translate what Misato's sash says during the party?--V 09:20, 4 August 2007 (EDT)

I had to cheat and look at the production drawing to get the bottom two kanji, but it says "Congratulations on your promotion to Major". --Reichu 12:05, 25 August 2007 (EDT)

POINTS

• "Her sternum is wounded and bloodied over the region where the scar is later seen.": We can't see her sternum; there's a parka in the way. :P
• "Twin pillars of light are seen rising at the end of the flashback. These may or may not be the base of Adam's wings of light.": What else could they possibly be?
• "The imagery of twin pillars of light is seen during the battle against the Angel Ramiel.": Noise.
• "although demanding a lot of physical strength from the Eva itself": "Itself", eh? (clicks tongue) For a bit of trivia, her right arm bursts open with red spraypaint before the other Evas show up. That might have been the damage they were referring to later.
• "Rei states that she "dislikes eating meat" (which is what the official English dub also says": Why do you always call it "official"? As opposed to what, the fandub parodies that people are going to confuse it with? It's not so "official" that Gainax supervised it themselves. Just call it the "English dub".
• "they will move the Magi supercomputers to Matsushiro.": Misato says, "Ask Matsushiro to back up the Magi."
• Stuff on Dr. K is just reiterating what's on his character page (which is reiterating what's in the episode anyway). You can just say that Misato reveals some stuff about her father; see his character page for more details. (Also, "though it was suspected that he was just so emotionally sensitive that he had trouble interacting with his family" is curious, since that was never actually stated.)

That's a start. --Reichu 12:05, 25 August 2007 (EDT)

Isn't "Back up" the same thing, or are they not moveable? I don't really even know what "backing up" the Magi would mean exactly. Yes, episode and character pages will overlap some information from time to time. As long as they aren't simply a copy-pasting of something else, no, we shouldn't cut it out of here. Please remove parts you thought speculative, though. --V 16:09, 25 August 2007 (EDT)

They're supercomputers. If you "back up" a computer, you're not actually moving it, you're copying the data.

I think overlap should be absolutely minimized and redirects maximized. The episode pages are a considerable mess in my opinion, and they're scarcely what I personally had in mind in terms of approach. Should I come up with a "diagnosis" at some point and take it to the forum so we can have it out at once? --Reichu 16:17, 25 August 2007 (EDT)

No even I don't think the episode guide is "done" yet and will be personally going over it; no need to bring this up in the forums until I say "I've done all I can". --V 16:44, 25 August 2007 (EDT)

I'm not talking about whether they're "done" or not -- I'm in fundamental disagreement regarding various aspects of their handling. Hence the last sentence of my last "post". --Reichu 17:19, 25 August 2007 (EDT)\

Oh, well I'm really not that serious about removing stuff that overlaps; you can remove overlapping stuff if its' too much stuff. --V 17:33, 25 August 2007 (EDT)